AskMarion: Are Netanyahu and Israel’s demise in Obama’s Endgame dream for the middle east?
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Barack Obama (WND)
White House seeks to replace Netanyahu?
ID’d ‘moderate’ leader who can push for Palestinian state
WND: TEL AVIV – In recent weeks, representatives for the Obama administration have held meetings with a senior politician here in which the U.S. delegates brought up the possibility of replacing Benjamin Netanyahu as prime minister, according to an informed Jerusalem diplomatic source.
The meetings were held with Israel’s popular finance minister, Yair Lapid, founder and leader of the Yesh Atid Party, which became the second-largest party in the Knesset winning 19 seats in the last election.
The diplomatic source said the Obama administration identified Lapid as a moderate who could be helpful in pushing the Israeli government into accepting the framework to create a future Palestinian state.
According to the source, the talks included the possibility of Lapid bolting Netanyahu’s government if the prime minister rejects the U.S.-brokered regional talks.
Lapid, however, is unlikely to abandon his government post over talks the Palestinians themselves have been less than enthusiastic about.
Such a move could be politically dangerous for Lapid, with polls showing a significant segment of the Israeli public has grown weary of the bid to create a Palestinian state amid regional turmoil, including the Syrian civil war, recent changes of leadership in Egypt and fears over Iran’s nuclear program.
Further, Lapid is a relative newcomer to Israeli politics. He will want more time to use his finance minister post to launch initiatives that could bolster a future run for prime minister.
If Lapid and his 19 Knesset seats did abandon Netanyahu’s government, the move could put the prime minister’s coalition in crisis, especially if other parties were to follow suit. Netanyahu must maintain a plurality of the Knesset’s 120 Knesset seats in his governing coalition or he would have to face early elections.
Economy Minister Naftali Bennet, leader of the nationalist My Home party, has made a career out of openly challenging Netanyahu on numerous fronts. Bennet is part of the coalition with his party’s 12 seats. He has not been shy about his own future prime ministerial aspirations.
Last month, WND reported the Palestinian Authority received a pledge from the U.S. that by the end of 2014, the Obama administration will issue an official written declaration presenting general highlights of a future Palestinian state, according to a senior Palestinian negotiator.
The negotiator further said thhe goal is to have the general framework for a deal ironed out by April.
The framework for an Israeli-Palestinian agreement being brokered by Secretary of State John Kerry calls for the phased implementation of more Palestinian sovereignty within three to five years, the negotiator said at the time.
As part of the written declaration, the U.S. is set to officially recognize Palestinian rights in eastern sections of Jerusalem, without defining the exact territories that would be eventually handed to the PA.
The U.S. will declare on paper that the Jordan Valley territory is “occupied” by Israel and that Palestinians have rights there, the negotiator said.
Kerry is currently discussing a proposal in which Israel would lease some of the Jordan Valley from the PA so some Israeli communities in the area can stay, said the negotiator.
The written framework will also declare the West Bank “occupied,” according to the negotiator.
Besides a declaration on paper, Kerry continues to broker specifics of a final-status deal, the negotiator said.
WND previously reported Kerry is asking for the international community to administer the holy sites in the eastern section of Jerusalem, while details are still being discussed about whether Palestinians will have some symbolic presence in the area.
WND in December was first to report Kerry’s plan calling for an international administrative mandate to control holy sites in eastern Jerusalem.
The exact composition of the international mandate is up for discussion, but Kerry’s plan recommended a coalition that includes the Vatican and a group of Muslim countries such as Turkey and Saudi Arabia.
The international arrangement is being proposed as a temporary solution for about two to three years while security arrangements in Jerusalem between Israelis and Palestinians are finalized, said Israeli and Palestinian diplomatic sources.
‘Nice Little Jewish State Ya Got There.. Shame If Anything Were to Happen To It’
Joshua Pundit: While Israeli PM Benyamin Netanyahu was already en route to the United States to discuss the Middle East peace process, President Obama gave an interview at the beginning of last week to a friendly journalist, Jeffrey Goldberg.The shock waves from what the president had to say are still reverberating.
President Obama started by talking about the Israeli-Arab peace process.
The president, to summarize briefly, embraces the tired idea of ‘linkage’ wholeheartedly. In his view, Israel catering to the demands of the Palestinian Authority, giving up strategic territory in exchange for vague promises from Mahmoud Abbas and accepting the establishment of a hostile state on Israel’s borders will magically lead to peace in the Middle East. Israel’s Arab neighbors will all immediately become allies and friends, the Iranians will stop their quest for nuclear weapons and stop threatening to destroy Israel every two weeks or so and Hamas and Hezbollah will close up shop, disarm and go out of business.
When Goldberg prompted him, he made a few pro forma remarks about Netanyahu and about the American ‘commitment to Israel being rock solid’. But as he made plain, he wants Israel to comply with all of the Palestinian demands, and quickly. Or else. Because, you see, there are going to be a lot more Palestinians and Israeli Arabs who will overwhelm Israel demographically, the EU and others are going to isolate Israel internationally and the U.S. is going to not be able to defend Israel diplomatically any longer. Unmentioned is that much of any diplomatic isolation Israel faces is a direct result of the animosity exhibited towards the Jewish State by President Obama and his administration.
Even Goldberg, a long time Obama supporter, evidenced some shock in a subsequent interview with PBS’s Charlie Rose and characterized this as a threat.
The president,of course, focused exclusively on Arab rights rather than Jewish ones, and on Israeli security…which of course, he expects Israel to depend totally on the United States to oversee and handle, something that can be changed at the president’s whim. He characterizes the Palestinians as ready for peace, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary, because to the president, it’s those stubborn Jews who are holding things up.
Just for the record, that demographic threat the president and Secretary Kerry keep focusing on that is supposed to doom Israel as a democratic state unless those Jews do what he wants and fast is pure fantasy. The real truth as I write this is that the trends shows a Jewish majority in Judea and Samaria of well over 60%, because the Jewish fertility rate has increased while Palestinian rates have collapsed. In fact, Jewish fertility rates in Judea and Samaria have already overtaken Arab rates at 3.04 vs. 2.91 children per woman. Israel continues to attract a high rate of immigration, with many more to come, especially from Europe, while Palestinian emigration rates have risen sharply. Time is on the side of Israel, not the Palestinians…which is the real reason for the haste to push through a deal by the White House.
President Obama’s fantasy world also includes a portrait of Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian Authority as committed to peace.At one point, the president referred to Abbas as ‘the most moderate Palestinian leader the Israelis are ever going to get.’
This could have been the cue for Goldberg to remind the president that this is the same Mahmoud Abbas who has repeatedly said that he will not make any concessions to Israel, who insists on a Jew free reichlet and who recently signed a unity agreement with the genocidal Hamas. This is the same ‘moderate’ who wrote his thesis at Moscow University on how the Holocaust was a myth and made it a required part of the Palestinian educational curriculum, regardless of what he told a group of hand-picked Leftist Israeli students in Ramallah last week. This is the same leader supposedly committed to peace and co-existence who sees to it that convicted murderers of Israeli civilians are honored as ‘holy martyrs’, heroes and role models and rewards them financially.
Instead, Goldberg merely pointed out that Abbas was “also the leader of a weak, corrupt and divided Palestinian entity that is already structurally semi-powerless. Do you think he could deliver anything more than a framework agreement? Is this the guy who can lead the Palestinian people to say, “OK, no more claims against Israel, permanent peace, permanent recognition?”
And President Obama’s reply? “I think it has to be tested. The question is: What is lost by testing it?” The answer, of course is the same thing that was lost because of Oslo and the Road Map – hundreds of Jewish lives and hundreds of others maimed for life. President Obama, to be frank, didn’t seem all that put out by the idea of Jewish bloodshed, as long as a Palestinian state the way he envisions it is the result.
Israeli PM Netanyahu probably came to the U.S. prepared to accept the non-binding Kerry framework and to try once more to convince President Obama that the Iranians are committed to obtaining nuclear weapons, that they must be stopped and time is running out. Instead, he was hit with this while in mid air.
Not only did President Obama convince a lot of Israelis that his view of an Israeli/Palestinian peace accord isn’t rooted in reality and that they can no longer depend on the U.S. as any kind of honest broker, but the president’s remarks had to let Netanyahu know in advance that any attempt to get President Obama to look at reality on Iran was a waste of time.
In the interview with Jeffrey Goldberg, President Obama also did some chest thumping about Iran, saying that the Iranians were cooperating because they were afraid of him! To hear President Obama talk, because they’re so scared of what he might do, “they’ve halted their nuclear program, no centrifuges being installed; the 20 percent enriched uranium being drawn down to zero; Arak on hold.”
Absolutely none of this is true. The Iranians say flatly that enrichment is continuing, a whole new crop of advanced centrifuges is being installed , and the Iranian heavy water reactor at Arak,which has no peaceful application is not on hold at all.
In the end, instead of publicly accepting the framework, Netanyahu merely took a copy from the president privately without commenting and left for home. Among other things, this completely sandbagged Secretary of State John Kerry, who was not briefed on the interview in advance and according to one of my sources definitely in a position to know, was left scrambling to do damage control.
The latest indication of this president’s disdain for Israel occurred after Netanyahu left the White House. One of Israel’s written-in-stone conditions for any peace agreement is the formal acceptance by Abbas of Israel as a Jewish State. Israel wants this because it would signal a final end to the conflict, terminate the Palestinian fiction that Jews are just ‘colonists’ who have no connection or rights to the land of Israel and end the idea that thousands of those hostile Arabs whom represent themselves as Palestinian ‘refugees’ somehow have a right to resettle in Israel.
Abbas has always refused to do this for exactly these reasons, and once this interview was released, he repeated it once again. Not only that, but those Arabs whom represent themselves as Palestinians and whom President Obama claims are ready for peaceful coexistence refuse to accept Israel as a Jewish state either. Because like Abbas, they still cling to the dream of someday driving the Jews into the sea.
When Abbas again repeated his refusal, what was different this time is that our own State Department backed him up on it.
In an interview with Al-Quds, the Palestinian Arabic news outlet, U.S. State Department spokeswoman Jan Psaki made headlines throughout the Middle East when she said, “The American position is clear, Israel is a Jewish state. However, we do not see a need that both sides recognize this position as part of the final agreement.”
Is it any wonder that after that, the Arab League quickly endorsed the same position of non-recognition, something they haven’t seen fit to do before?
Actually, President Obama himself has constantly referred to Israel as a Jewish State as part of his mirage of establishing two states, one Jewish and one “Palestinian’. As recently as his speech in Jerusalem in March 2013, Obama said, “Palestinians must recognize that Israel will be a Jewish state”.
As late as a month ago, the U.S. ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro was telling Israelis that Kerry’s peace framework would insist on recognition of Israel as a Jewish state.
Well, not any more! Things have changed, and the Obama team is essentially backing up Abbas’ long time position of no concessions, no recognition and of course, no end to the conflict. To those of you with good memories, this is a mirror image of how the Arab League responded to Israel’s attempt to negotiate a peace right after the Six Day War.
Kerry got on board the train fairly quickly, saying that it was “a mistake for some people to be, you know, raising it again and again as the critical decider of their attitude towards the possibility of a state and peace, and we’ve obviously made that clear.”
Well yes, the president and his people have made their attitude clear now. But before the story was different, wasn’t it? And to add to the mix, Kerry’s rationale for denying the necessity of Abbas and the PLO recognizing Israel as a Jewish State was that it was already done by – wait for it – none other than Yasser Arafat.
Yes, the old rais himself, another ‘peace partner’ who never ever told a falsehood about anything. There’s an old quote of St. Arafat’s I’m particularly fond of – “I’ve killed for my cause. Don’t you think I would lie for it?” Actually, Arafat only made a vague nod towards Israel’s right to exist, with no mention of it being a Jewish state.
If commitments from Kerry and President Obama are subject to change like that, the Israeli can almost certainly expect to be betrayed on any other commitments the U.S. makes to them,once they give up the strategic areas and put themselves in a vulnerable position. As a matter of fact, there’s already a track record on this sort of willful amnesia on U.S. commitments when it comes to President Obama and Israel.
In spite of the Obama Administration’s obvious dislike for Israel and Netanyahu, the point of no return beyond which Israel can be pressured has been reached. The recognition of Israel as a Jewish State was supposed to give Netanyahu leverage to compromise in other areas. Instead, President Obama has pretty much stripped away any rationale for the Israelis to trust him or trust Secretary Kerry. The Israelis fully expect that America will abstain from a UN vote giving the Palestinians whatever they want anyway, even a reichlet being governed by Hamas.
In fact, that’s fairly likely. There’s no guarantee Mahmoud Abbas is going to stick around to implement any deal the Israelis are pressured into signing. As the president himself said to Jeffrey Goldberg, “We do not know what a successor to Abbas will look like.”
But let’s do it anyway, because of course, it has to be tested!
Where Secretary Kerry and President Obama might end up being surprised is by a Palestinian ‘no’. Since the last thing Abbas will do is to agree to anything that would end the conflict, the recent cave ins on even basic positions by the Obama Administration are a green light to go to the UN anyway after the April 29th deadline and challenge the U.S to veto something the entire Obama team is now on record as supporting.
The way to stop this would be to do something President Obama has never done with the Palestinians; deal with Arab rejectionism and let Abbas know that a refusal this time is going to going to entail serious consequences. He won’t.
This is Barack Obama, freed from the necessity of further elections and reverting to his core attitudes and beliefs.He sees himself, above all, as the Palestinian’s lawyer and community organizer.
This president, with his long history of associating with anti-semites and Israel haters since his college days came into office announcing that he wanted to create ‘daylight’ between the U.S. and Israel.He will undoubtedly succeed, at least for awhile. His primary interest is not two states living in peace next to each other but in creating that ‘daylight’ no matter what it takes.
Just like President Obama’s fantasies about Iran, his handling of the relationship with a valuable American ally will not be to America’s benefit. Just watch.
I find this stunning – scary, sad, and stunning. On the eve of Netanyahu’s visit, President Obama announces to the world that he shall tell Israel’s prime minister what to do; he’ll lay blame for regional unrest on Israel and command they adopt an Obama-sanctioned “peace plan” that requires Israel to concede even more land and authority. Truly stunning. http://m.weeklystandard.com/blogs/if-he-believes-it-it-must-be-so_783721.html
On the eve of the Netanyahu visit to Washington, President Obama gave a lengthy interview to Jeffrey Goldberg that shows a chief executive who has learned next to nothing about the world in his five years in office. First, kudos to Goldberg: he pressed Obama repeatedly, challenging vague formulation…
מה שהעם בישראל מצפה ממני לעשות זה לעמוד איתן מול הלחץ ומול הביקורת. לעמוד איתן כדי להבטיח את עתידה של המדינה היהודית.
The best way to guarantee peace is to be strong. And that’s what the people of Israel expect me to do – to stand strong against criticism, against pressure, stand strong to secure the future of the one and only Jewish state.
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