Forum: Whom Would You Least Like To See In A Presidential Matchup In 2016?

Every week on Monday morning , the Council and our invited guests weigh in at the The Council Forum, short takes on a major issue of the day, the culture, or daily living. This week’s question: Whom Would You Least Like To See In A Presidential Matchup In 2016?

The Razor: Well the Democrat is easy: Hillary Clinton. I would have preferred her in 2008; in fact I hoped she would win the nomination because I was never a Clinton hater like so many on the Right. But after her stint as Secretary of State, and particularly after Benghazi and the “WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE” breakdown in front of Congress, she’s not fit to be my county’s dog catcher.

On the GOP side it’s tougher. We’re still too far out to see who the main challengers are going to be, and in fairness no one stands out. I’m not much of a fan of Chris Christie given that I’m not a fan of his state nor of his anti-gun rights stances, but I suspect he’d put up a much better fight than Romney did in ‘12. Paul Ryan strikes me as another weak candidate at this point, as does Rand Paul. I hope to see one or the other grow, but I really feel that we need to find someone with management experience, and that means selecting a governor.

So I would probably select either Paul Ryan or Rand Paul as the GOP candidate I’d least like to see in the match-up, if only because Amateur Hour is over. We need experience.

PS: I personally know our dog catcher; he’s a nice guy with a tough job and people generally like him around here. If Hillary ran for his job she’d lose by a landslide.

The Glittering Eye: I don’t look forward to anyone running for president in 2016. I find the entire prospect terribly depressing.

Given that proviso it’s hard for me to give an answer to the forum’s question other than a flip one: I’d like to see any Republican who could beat Hillary Clinton run. I don’t much care who it is. I do not much want to see Hillary Clinton elected to the presidency. I’d like to see any Democrat who can beat her run. Or Libertarian. Heck, I’d even prefer a Green who could beat her.

JoshuaPundit: It’s hard to answer this one from a negative standpoint, which makes it a lil’ bit tricky (*chuckle*).

Frankly, given the mess the next president will inherit, it’s hard to see who would want the job unless they had ulterior motives. Like say, Mrs. Clinton, who already has her sycophants testing the waters for her.

What we really need, of course, is someone not part of the Ruling Class (or someone who doesn’t aspire to be part of it), who is a person of principle who would be willing to do what it takes and get their hands dirty in order to fix what’s wrong and deal with our deep seated problems. Based on that, I would not want to see a matchup between Mrs. Clinton or Chris Christie, Jeb Bush or Paul Ryan on the Republican side, among others.

We have, at this point, had three very poor presidents in a row, the worst in our history and all were two termers, meaning we have had a quarter century of dysfunctional leadership and in the case of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama,men who have avidly sought to enrich themselves personally through the office. I have often written that the issue for America is not our destruction – we’re far too powerful for that – but whether we wish to reinvigorate our Republic on the principles it was founded or become Rome.So far, based on our last three presidents I think we’re leaning towards Rome and it will take an incredible person to reverse that in the other direction.

The Roman Republic had its moment in 83 BC with striking similarities to our own in the strife between the optimates and the populares somewhat similar in outlook respectively to our own Republican conservatives and Leftist Democrats. The Republic was about to collapse in corruption, civil strife, cronyism and blatant mismanagement.

That’s when Lucius Cornelius Sulla, Rome’s most famous and victorious general and an optimate marched five of his legions back into Rome, assumed a position as dictator and took over the city.

The Senate, having no choice, appointed him dictator legibus faciendis et reipublicae constituendae causa (“dictator for the making of laws and for the settling of the constitution”).

Sulla used his powers to enact a series of reforms to the Roman constitution, arrested and/or exiled a number of people he suspected of corruption or other crimes against the Republic and carried out a number of executions of those he considered traitors or whom had acted against Rome’s interest.

Amazingly, once his reforms restored the balance of power between the executive and legislative parts of Rome’s government and codified requirements for holding office, the economy was working well again and the state again operating on its founding principles, Sulla voluntarily relinquished his absolute power, disbanded his legions and resigned two years after he first became dictator, retiring to his country villa with his family.

In spite of how he took power, he remained beloved of Rome’s people and was given a hero’s funeral by the City when he died 3 years later. His contemporaries like Plutarch credited him with saving the Roman Republic, which managed to last for another half century before Augustus turned it into an empire in 27 BC.

I relate this not because I want to see a dictatorship ruling our republic, but to show how perilously close to the edge I think we are. Hopefully the changes we need will be carried out in a peaceful way by men who are as dedicated to our nation as Sulla was to his.

Ask Marion: For the Democrats my number one “NO” is Hillary Clinton, for all the same reasons listed above plus if you don’t like ObamaCare, you’d hate HillaryCare.  Besides, Hillary is Obama in a dress, just smarter… with much of the same baggage and more, same allegiances, and even some of the same mentors.   We certainly don’t need 4 or 8 more years of Obama or any Progressive and that is why Biden is also a “NO” and of course his uncontrolled mouth disease certainly makes him less than President worthy. Progressivism is killing America, at least the America most people want to live in, but considering that the Democrat Party has been co-opted by the Progressives, there won’t be any other choices from that side.

As for the GOP, America needs a real choice… not another moderate, Progressive light, or RINO!  Just take a look at the last two elections… McCain and Romney… It is they who don’t and cannot win, not someone who would offer a choice.  Because with candidates like that the Republican base stays home as well as many Independents, who don’t really see enough of a difference between the parties or someone that represents what they care about.. So Chris Christie, Jeb Bush and Paul Ryan in that order are NO’s for the right.

It is time for all of us to get involved, to educate ourselves and then share what we have learned and know with others to stop letting the bias media with an agenda tell us that the 2016 election is already all sewn up!

America needs a two-party system that offers a choice, or she will soon have a 3-party system, that at this point the country cannot afford… because it will guarantee another Progressive win that will be the final nail in the coffin of freedom.

The best and really only option for the GOP is a Tea Party type candidate and there are some good choices: Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Allen West, Ben Carson… to name just a few.  But the Progressive liberal media has done such a good job that when you say Tea Party or mention one of these lovers of freedom, the Constitution, and fiscal responsibility, just the mention of their names make many uninformed Americans shutter yet they really don’t even know why.  Many people don’t even realize that Tea Party stands for TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY and they don’t know much more about the aforementioned possible candidate choices, who would fight for all Americans’ freedoms instead of lining their own pockets or throwing in with the power elite establishment, either.     

We are in big trouble, America, and both the Elections of 2014 and 2016 will decide the future direction of America… your children and grandchildren’s future… We all need to know what and who we are voting for in 2016… so I guess the short direct answer to today’s question would have been: My least welcome choice for 2016 would be Hillary Clinton verses Chris Christie followed by Hillary Clinton verses Jeb Bush.

Well, there you have it.

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About Ask Marion

I am a babyboomer and empty nester who savors every moment of my past and believes that it is the responsibility of each of us in my generation and Americans in general to make sure that America is as good or even a better place for future generations as it was for us. So far... we haven't done very well!! Favorite Quotes: "The first 50 years are to build and acquire; the second 50 are to leave your legacy"; "Do something that scares you every day!"; "The journey in between what you once were and who you are becoming is where the dance of life really takes place". At age 62 I find myself fighting inoperable uterine Cancer and thanks to the man upstairs and the prayers from so many people including many of my readers from AskMarion and JustOneMorePet... I'm beating it. After losing our business because of the economy and factors related to the re-election of President Obama in 2012 followed by 16-mos of job hunting, my architect-trained husband is working as a trucker and has only been home approximately 5-days a month since I was diagnosed, which has made everything more difficult and often lonely... plus funds are tight. Our family medical deductible is 12K per year for two of us; thank you ObamaCare. But thanks to donations from so many of you, we are making ends meet as I go through treatment while taking care of my father-in-law who is suffering from late stage Alzheimer's and my mother-in-law who suffers from RA and onset dementia as well as hearing loss, for which there are no caretaker funds, as I continue the fight here online to inform and help restore our amazing country. And finally I need to thank a core group of family, friends, and readers... all at a distance, who check in with me regularly. Plus, I must thank my furkids who have not left my side through this fight. You can see them at JustOneMorePet.
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